NFBC Slow Draft Results: First Six Rounds

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:27 am

We currently have three NFBC Slow Draft, Draft Champions Leagues going right now and it's time to whet the appetites of the rest of our NFBC members. I'll post the first six rounds of these Slow Drafts here for all to see, mixing them up so that nobody knows which league we are showcasing. Enjoy the results because this year the early rounds are wide open, as you'll quickly see here from these results.

I'll create new Slow Draft signup threads for anyone who wants to jump into baseball mode now, so look for that soon. Let's keep the Slow Drafts going and have some fun with all of this. Thanks all.

Just a heads up: These NFBC Slow Drafts use a unique Draft Champions format that isn't used in any other league we run here. These are 45-round drafts that don't allow any free agent pickups during the season. What you draft is what you get for the season. You can make starting lineup changes during the season, but you never get to add or subtract from your roster. That 45-man roster is your team for the whole season. The rest of the game is the same: 5x5 Rotisserie, pay Top 3 finishers, 15 teams. Sound good?

Okay, here's the first set of draft results from a recent NFBC Slow Draft, Draft Champions league format:

First Round:

1. Albert Pujols

2. Hanley Ramirez

3. Alex Rodriguez

4. Chase Utley

5. Joe Mauer

6. Ryan Braun

7. Mark Teixeira

8. Prince Fielder

9. Matt Kemp

10. Troy Tulowitzki

11. Jacoby Ellsbury

12. Ryan Howard

13. Carl Crawford

14. Miguel Cabrera

15. David Wright

Second Round:

16. Ian Kinsler

17. Evan Longoria

18. Matt Holliday

19. Jose Reyes

20. Ichiro Suzuki

21. Justin Upton

22. Grady Sizemore

23. Tim Lincecum

24. Victor Martinez

25. Dustin Pedroia

26. Joey Votto

27. Jimmy Rollins

28. Justin Morneau

29. Mark Reynolds

30. Brandon Phillips

Third Round:

31. Brian Roberts

32. Adrian Gonzalez

33. Jason Bay

34. B.J. Upton

35. Pablo Sandoval

36. Aaron Hill

37. Brian McCann

38. Derek Jeter

39. Kendry Morales

40. Kevin Youkilis

41. CC Sabathia

42. Ryan Zimmerman

43. Adam Lind

44. Roy Halladay

45. Zack Greinke

Fourth Round:

46. Jake Peavy

47. Carlos Beltran

48. Javier Vazquez

49. Nick Markakis

50. Dan Haren

51. Jayson Werth

52. Alfonso Soriano

53. Robinson Cano

54. Josh Hamilton

55. Felix Hernandez

56. Joe Nathan

57. Johan Santana

58. Ben Zobrist

59. Justin Verlander

60. Aramis Ramirez

Fifth Round:

61. Carlos Lee

62. Andre Ethier

63. Cliff Lee

64. Lance Berkman

65. Shin-Soo Choo

66. Adam Dunn

67. Manny Ramirez

68. Bobby Abreu

69. Chris Carpenter

70. Shane Victorino

71. Jon Lester

72. Adam Wainwright

73. Derrek Lee

74. Carlos Quentin

75. Jonathan Broxton

Sixth Round:

76. Curtis Granderson

77. Josh Beckett

78. Mariano Rivera

79. Tommy Hanson

80. Jonathan Papelbon

81. Josh Johnson

82. Chone Figgins

83. Francisco Rodriguez

84. Andrew McCutchen

85. Nelson Cruz

86. Clayton Kershaw

87. Hunter Pence

88. Adam Jones

89. Billy Butler

90. Yovani Gallardo

Thoughts?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:56 am

Let's provide another set of Slow Draft, Draft Champion League results right away. Enjoy:

First Round:

1. Albert Pujols

2. Hanley Ramirez

3. Ryan Braun

4. Alex Rodriguez

5. Chase Utley

6. Matt Kemp

7. Troy Tulowitzki

8. Joe Mauer

9. Prince Fielder

10. Mark Teixeira

11. Miguel Cabrera

12. Ryan Howard

13. Tim Lincecum

14. David Wright

15. Evan Longoria

Second Round:

16. Jose Reyes

17. Carl Crawford

18. Jacoby Ellsbury

19. Matt Holliday

20. Mark Reynolds

21. Ian Kinsler

22. Grady Sizemore

23. Adrian Gonzalez

24. Jimmy Rollins

25. Dustin Pedroia

26. Victor Martinez

27. Zack Greinke

28. Aaron Hill

29. Justin Upton

30. Jason Bay

Third Round:

31. Pablo Sandoval

32. Justin Morneau

33. Felix Hernandez

34. Joey Votto

35. Carlos Beltran

36. Brandon Phillips

37. Ben Zobrist

38. Jayson Werth

39. Adam Lind

40. Roy Halladay

41. Kendry Morales

42. CC Sabathia

43. Kevin Youkilis

44. Ichiro Suzuki

45. Lance Berkman

Fourth Round:

46. Robinson Cano

47. Brian Roberts

48. Dan Haren

49. Johan Santana

50. Ryan Zimmerman

51. Brian McCann

52. Adam Dunn

53. Derek Jeter

54. Justin Verlander

55. B.J. Upton

56. Josh Hamilton

57. Jonathan Braxton

58. Joe Nathan

59. Nick Markakis

60. Andre Ethier

Fifth Round:

61. Jonathan Papelbon

62. Mariano Rivera

63. Torii Hunter

64. Carlos Lee

65. Aramis Ramirez

66. Derrek Lee

67. Bobby Abreu

68. Curtis Granderson

69. Alfonso Soriano

70. Javier Vazquez

71. Adam Wainwright

72. Manny Ramirez

73. Nelson Cruz

74. Jon Lester

75. Shane Victorino

Sixth Round:

76. Shin-Soo Choo

77. Carlos Pena

78. Andrew McCutchen

79. Chone Figgins

80. Chris Carpenter

81. Gordon Beckham

82. Cliff Lee

83. Tommy Hanson

84. Raul Ibanez

85. Jake Peavy

86. Francisco Rodriguez

87. Joakim Soria

88. Josh Johnson

89. Josh Beckett

90. Matt Cain

Thoughts?

[ December 09, 2009, 09:58 AM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:12 am

Is it me or are those back-end first round, first picks second round looking SWEEEEEEET? Kind of reminds me of 2006.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:05 am

Got the other one, Greg?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:41 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Got the other one, Greg? I promise to post this one as soon as I get back home. I'm in New York now, but did download those results and will post them when I get back. Nobody had commented here, so I was wondering if anyone even cared about this thread!

Now that I know that Doughboys is anxious for those other results, I'll post them shortly. Thanks.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:27 am

I'm anxious for any fantasy baseball news.

I mentioned to my wife that there is "only" 100 days till baseball season.

Her response? "You remember that, but can't remember to get stamps for Christmas cards?"

Well....yeah.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:39 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I'm anxious for any fantasy baseball news.

I mentioned to my wife that there is "only" 100 days till baseball season.

Her response? "You remember that, but can't remember to get stamps for Christmas cards?"

Well....yeah.

At least you get a response Dan.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:19 am

Thanks for posting the results. Definitely interested.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:22 am

Is there any way we can get dates these rounds were conducted on? I'm interested in how/whether the recent signings and trades affected value.

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:41 am

The first draft listed started about 2 weeks ago; we are now in round 34

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:42 am

Got the other one, Greg?

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:44 am

i'm in the 2nd $125 slow. we're at pick 43.7

i believe we started on the 3rd.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:19 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Got the other one, Greg? Here you go. Sorry for the delay:

First Round:

1. Albert Pujols

2. Hanley Ramirez

3. Chase Utley

4. Alex Rodriguez

5. Ryan Braun

6. Joe Mauer

7. Troy Tulowitzki

8. Matt Kemp

9. Mark Teixeira

10. Ryan Howard

11. Carl Crawford

12. David Wright

13. Evan Longoria

14. Miguel Cabrera

15. Prince Fielder

Second Round:

16. Jacoby Ellsbury

17. Ian Kinsler

18. Jose Reyes

19. Grady Sizemore

20. Mark Reynolds

21. Tim Lincecum

22. Jimmy Rollins

23. Joey Votto

24. Justin Upton

25. Brandon Phillips

26. Adrian Gonzalez

27. Dustin Pedroia

28. Kevin Youkilis

29. Victor Martinez

30. Matt Holliday

Third Round:

31. Robinson Cano

32. Jayson Werth

33. Jason Bay

34. Pablo Sandoval

35. Justin Morneau

36. Carlos Lee

37. Roy Halladay

38. Ryan Zimmerman

39. Ichiro Suzuki

40. Brian McCann

41. Adam Lind

42. Zack Greinke

43. Aaron Hill

44. CC Sabathia

45. Ben Zobrist

Fourth Round:

46. Derek Jeter

47. Johan Santana

48. Kendry Morales

49. Brian Roberts

50. Felix Hernandez

51. Carlos Beltran

52. Nick Markakis

53. B.J. Upton

54. Dan Haren

55. Nelson Cruz

56. Adam Dunn

57. Justin Verlander

58. Shane Victorino

59. Aramis Ramirez

60. Michael Bourn

Fifth Round:

61. Matt Wieters

62. Billy Butler

63. Andre Ethier

64. Lance Berkman

65. Carlos Pena

66. Jonathan Papelbon

67. Jon Lester

68. Josh Hamilton

69. Joe Nathan

70. Jonathan Broxton

71. Derrek Lee

72. Curtis Granderson

73. Shin-Soo Choo

74. Mariano Rivera

75. Hunter Pence

Sixth Round:

76. Gordon Beckham

77. Bobby Abreu

78. Adam Wainwright

79. Chris Carpenter

80. Javier Vazquez

81. Jake Peavy

82. Manny Ramirez

83. Jose Lopez

84. Carlos Gonzalez

85. Cliff Lee

86. Chone Figgins

87. Nate McLouth

88. Josh Beckett

89. Josh Johnson

90. Tommy Hanson

Thoughts?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:47 am

Although Chase Utley will be the first 2B to be chosen in most leagues, that group that was so far behind him just a couple of years ago has almost caught up. There are six 2B eligible players in the second and third rounds.

Every round had at least one player whose first name began with 'J'. There was even a 'J' run in the fifth round.

Are we going back to the old days of the non-hitting shortstops?

Only five shortstops were taken in the first six rounds. Blame it on lack of steroids or a change of guard at the position, but power is not in the modern shortstop's game for the most part. Only three shortstop eligible players had more than 18 home runs last year.

Tulowitzki with 32, Hanley with 24, and Rollins with 21. Shortstop is a good source for speed though, eight shortstop eligible players had at least 20 stolen bases last year. Rafael Furcal and Jose Reyes were not in that group.

There were 10 1B eligible players taken in the first two rounds, compared to only seven outfielders.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:38 pm

I appreciate getting bits and pieces of these early drafts, but can't wait until we get a bunch of meaningful drafts so we can get some full, substantive ADP's.

The draft from this string is very interesting, but I just lock on some players and have a bad feeling about. Certainly not numbers supported as all these had great years last year, but:

Bust of the first round...Mauer.

Bust of the second round...Justin Upton.

Bust of the third round...Aaron Hill.

Bust of the fourth round...Zobrist.

Bust of the fifth round...none.

Bust of the sixth round...Kershaw.

2011 "Whatever happened to...?" Award...BJ Upton.

Others random pre-aneurysms:

First pitcher taken in 2011...Verlander.

Round Edwards Kings first pitcher taken in 2010...Sixth.

The more I look at it, the more I think I have a new #1 on my list. Pujols will be the lock in most if not all leagues and Hanley will be the consensus #2. Neither are bad picks, but here in December, every time I look at the numbers, projections, tea leaves, and quatrains, I run back to one person. If I get the prime pick, I am going with Braun.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:20 pm

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

I appreciate getting bits and pieces of these early drafts, but can't wait until we get a bunch of meaningful drafts so we can get some full, substantive ADP's.

The draft from this string is very interesting, but I just lock on some players and have a bad feeling about. Certainly not numbers supported as all these had great years last year, but:

Bust of the first round...Mauer.

Bust of the second round...Justin Upton.

Bust of the third round...Aaron Hill.

Bust of the fourth round...Zobrist.

Bust of the fifth round...none.

Bust of the sixth round...Kershaw.

2011 "Whatever happened to...?" Award...BJ Upton.

Others random pre-aneurysms:

First pitcher taken in 2011...Verlander.

Round Edwards Kings first pitcher taken in 2010...Sixth.

The more I look at it, the more I think I have a new #1 on my list. Pujols will be the lock in most if not all leagues and Hanley will be the consensus #2. Neither are bad picks, but here in December, every time I look at the numbers, projections, tea leaves, and quatrains, I run back to one person. If I get the prime pick, I am going with Braun. It looks like the busts are all players who had breakout seasons last year.

Missouri/Missouri rules in Wayne's World

Just out of curiosity, Wayne, what numbers or projections put Braun ahead of Pujols? Or is this where the tea leaves and quatrains come into play

[ December 22, 2009, 05:27 AM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:29 am

Hmmm...about equal between projections and tealeaves. I just think Braun has just about everything going for him including speed to make the complete package. Pujols may have him in BA, but all else will be close or in Braun's favor.

Hill, Zobrist, and Mauer have been around long enough to get past Missouri/Missouri test. By 2011, we will be calling their 2009 their career or outlier years. Justin is clearly failing the Missouri/Missouri. One year of outstanding results just doesn't make my second round. And there are other pitchers with more track record and control than Kershaw that could be had in the sixth.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:19 am

Your post got me thinking. A dangerous thing .You're right, sorta, about Missouri/Missouri. Mauer and Hill have proved in the past to have good years. It's just that the years did not match up powerwise to say the least.

Maybe when a player has a year like Mauer or Hill or Zobrist in 2009 or Ryan Ludwick and Josh Hamilton in 2008, we should call these AHOY's for, already had overachieving year. If a player is an AHOY, he has had his career year and we can never expect that player to reach those levels again.

AHOYs can never be over the age of 32. We can assume that most players have had their overachieving year by that age. Although it can happen, like Ibanez last year.

A list of AHOy's to join Mauer, Hill, Zobrist, Ludwick, and Hamilton-

Pedroia

Quentin

Wright

Martin

A case could be made that these could all be AHOY's and not to expect their highest levels again. Maybe more players should be added to the list. Thoughts?

[ December 22, 2009, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:46 am

I will try to add to the list, but one that I think should come down is Wright. Since he came up around mid-year in 2004, he has been a very consistent performer, especially when you tie his counting stats and their increases to increased AB (except of course for his speed that I cannot figure out). Big candidate to rebound, power-wise, this year.

We used to have a tradition when I played softball. Whenever a player had a great play, especially after not doing to much or screwing up, we would give him a Yoo-hoo. If the Ahoy's are career year types, then maybe rebounders are Yoo-hoo's?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:02 am

I like it.

Yoo Hoo's for rebounders, Yoo Hooie's for rebounders coming back from injury.

Wright will be an AHOY in some people's mind, a Yoo Hoo in others. There are a lot of Yoo Hooie's this year. Reyes, Sizemore, Hamilton, and Santana all were first rounders in drafts last year.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:13 am

All this pirate talk is getting me ready to loot the grog barrel!

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:22 am

Not for nothing, but Yoohoo already has a place in rotisserie lore as a "Yoohoo shower" was the recommended reward for winning one's league as proposed by the Founding Fathers.

Though somehow a picture of Lindy drenched in a fake chocolate liquid as opposed to holding a big check or crystal trophy doesn't quite cut it....

But if it were the case, for Lindy's sake, I am pretty sure no cows were harmed making Yoohoo and I know no pigs were.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:57 pm

Originally posted by ToddZ:

Not for nothing, but Yoohoo already has a place in rotisserie lore as a "Yoohoo shower" was the recommended reward for winning one's league as proposed by the Founding Fathers.

Though somehow a picture of Lindy drenched in a fake chocolate liquid as opposed to holding a big check or crystal trophy doesn't quite cut it....

But if it were the case, for Lindy's sake, I am pretty sure no cows were harmed making Yoohoo and I know no pigs were. Actually, I think that was where we got the idea!

Lindy, this one is for you!

TOXIC ASSETS · Post by **TOXIC ASSETS** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:52 am

The steal of this draft is the team that got Johan Santana at the 57th pick. A close second is the team that got Sabathia at 41.

Both those guys should be top 10 picks.

And to the guy who said Mauer will be a bust....what would lead you to believe that? His numbers last year were put up in 5/6 of a season when you consider that he missed the first month. His numbers will probably go down a little, but he should still be worth the # 5 pick, especially when you consider scarcity at the C position.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:12 am

Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:

The steal of this draft is the team that got Johan Santana at the 57th pick. A close second is the team that got Sabathia at 41.

Both those guys should be top 10 picks.

And to the guy who said Mauer will be a bust....what would lead you to believe that? His numbers last year were put up in 5/6 of a season when you consider that he missed the first month. His numbers will probably go down a little, but he should still be worth the # 5 pick, especially when you consider scarcity at the C position. Can I be in your league?