When making projections, how much do you devalue a guy who is DH-only eligible (Ortiz, Vladdy, Thome etc.)? Whatever my projections are for this crowd, I lop off 5 HR, 15 R, and 15 RBI, based on:
--fewer AB in 9 interleague games
--pain in the rear of rostering these guys and clogging up my Utility spot.
Opinions on whether I'm chopping too much or too little?
Thanks,
B
Projections: DH Only
Projections: DH Only
Why chop anything off? If you are basing your playing time estimates off previous season's playing time, the interleague aspect is already accounted for.
I can see where one may want to penalize for hindering roster flexibility, especially with the new Friday rule, but to me that is an in-draft situation, based on the flexibility I have already picked up, what stats I need, etc. I would rather start with the foundation of knowing what I think he gives me in terms of stats/value and subjectively deciding not to pick him than have an "objective" value that pre-penalizes the player, when I am already going to have to make a subjective decision. My first thought is "what will he give me", which is the non-truncated production.
[ January 22, 2010, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: ToddZ ]
I can see where one may want to penalize for hindering roster flexibility, especially with the new Friday rule, but to me that is an in-draft situation, based on the flexibility I have already picked up, what stats I need, etc. I would rather start with the foundation of knowing what I think he gives me in terms of stats/value and subjectively deciding not to pick him than have an "objective" value that pre-penalizes the player, when I am already going to have to make a subjective decision. My first thought is "what will he give me", which is the non-truncated production.
[ January 22, 2010, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: ToddZ ]
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Originally posted by ToddZ:
Why chop anything off? If you are basing your playing time estimates off previous season's playing time, the interleague aspect is already accounted for.
I can see where one may want to penalize for hindering roster flexibility, especially with the new Friday rule......... I thought the new Friday rule would actually increase a DL-Only player in draft value, if only slightly. Now you can play Ortiz M-R and then replace with a lesser player F-S for interleague games. Instead of having to decide whether to take a blank for three days or play the lesser talent for the entire week.
Why chop anything off? If you are basing your playing time estimates off previous season's playing time, the interleague aspect is already accounted for.
I can see where one may want to penalize for hindering roster flexibility, especially with the new Friday rule......... I thought the new Friday rule would actually increase a DL-Only player in draft value, if only slightly. Now you can play Ortiz M-R and then replace with a lesser player F-S for interleague games. Instead of having to decide whether to take a blank for three days or play the lesser talent for the entire week.
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Originally posted by Navel Lint:
quote:Originally posted by ToddZ:
Why chop anything off? If you are basing your playing time estimates off previous season's playing time, the interleague aspect is already accounted for.
I can see where one may want to penalize for hindering roster flexibility, especially with the new Friday rule......... I thought the new Friday rule would actually increase a DL-Only player in draft value, if only slightly. Now you can play Ortiz M-R and then replace with a lesser player F-S for interleague games. Instead of having to decide whether to take a blank for three days or play the lesser talent for the entire week. [/QUOTE]Of course, I guess I can also see a point where you wouldn’t want the DH Slot locked by one player because you want to move guys around to maximize AB’s. I just don’t know if 4 extra AB’s from player 30 on your roster trump the lost production of a quality DH.
quote:Originally posted by ToddZ:
Why chop anything off? If you are basing your playing time estimates off previous season's playing time, the interleague aspect is already accounted for.
I can see where one may want to penalize for hindering roster flexibility, especially with the new Friday rule......... I thought the new Friday rule would actually increase a DL-Only player in draft value, if only slightly. Now you can play Ortiz M-R and then replace with a lesser player F-S for interleague games. Instead of having to decide whether to take a blank for three days or play the lesser talent for the entire week. [/QUOTE]Of course, I guess I can also see a point where you wouldn’t want the DH Slot locked by one player because you want to move guys around to maximize AB’s. I just don’t know if 4 extra AB’s from player 30 on your roster trump the lost production of a quality DH.
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Originally posted by Navel Lint:
Of course, I guess I can also see a point where you wouldn’t want the DH Slot locked by one player because you want to move guys around to maximize AB’s. I just don’t know if 4 extra AB’s from player 30 on your roster trump the lost production of a quality DH. You need to look at 2 roster spots, not just one.
The comparison is
A. quality non-DH and floating in 2 replacement type players into the DH/UT spot
versus
B. quality DH and floating in 2 replacement type players into a single spot like OF or CI or whatever.
The additional flexibility of being able to put in my 2B speedster versus the Red Sox for a 4-game series on Mon-Thurs, then putting in my power hitting OF for a 3-game set at Coors from Fri-Sun tips the scales to having the UT for floating. I think anyway.
Of course, I guess I can also see a point where you wouldn’t want the DH Slot locked by one player because you want to move guys around to maximize AB’s. I just don’t know if 4 extra AB’s from player 30 on your roster trump the lost production of a quality DH. You need to look at 2 roster spots, not just one.
The comparison is
A. quality non-DH and floating in 2 replacement type players into the DH/UT spot
versus
B. quality DH and floating in 2 replacement type players into a single spot like OF or CI or whatever.
The additional flexibility of being able to put in my 2B speedster versus the Red Sox for a 4-game series on Mon-Thurs, then putting in my power hitting OF for a 3-game set at Coors from Fri-Sun tips the scales to having the UT for floating. I think anyway.
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