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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:33 am

I'm a fantasy junkie. Most of us are. We can't help it. We're hooked.

I used to think about baseball to keep from thinking about sex, now I think of sex so I can quit thinking about baseball.

Fantasy has changed things.

What I am going to say in the following paragraphs will not endear me to anyone. Not to Greg. Not to Fanball. Probably not to NFBC'ers. I don't care. I'm not running for office.



Last night as we were waiting for our free agent bids to come back, I thought of how these odd fellows and how they had become a secondary family to me. Greg, the father. Tom and Geoff, the uncle's. and us, the squabbling brothers along with sister Jules, of course.



Anyways, there we are, all of us waiting and waiting. Some giving up and going to bed. Then I notice that Greg does not have his name on the MB visitors place. After giving Geoff some info and imploring him to shut down rosters because they were not right (I figured no information is better than misinformation), after he responded that he didn't have that power, I went to bed.



I went to bed hoping everything would be ok this morning. As everyone knows, it wasn't. I don't post things when I'm upset. Especially when others are already doing it. What is one more pisssed off voice? I wasn't upset that things weren't done. Heck, a small part of me expected it. Fanball has not earned that trust. Especially on the technical end. No, I was upset that there was nobody there late at night or early this morning to tell us what was going on.



In six years of being with the NFBC, I've never thought that they gave less than 100%, last night and this morning, I did. For 12 hours, with literally over 100 people on the boards and sometimes close to 300, there was nobody there to answer questions.



The endless screams and squawks continued until two hours before game time when Greg posted that they were back on the case.



From two hours before game time till now is the NFBC customer service that I have come to appreciate over the years. Working tirelessly to try and correct wrongs, trying to make as many people that were unhappy, happy again. There is nothing like seeing Greg with his back up against the wall, a thing of beauty.



Some of the posts during this time were comical in their stupidity. Frustrations bring out the worst in people. Except you, John. You don't even have to be frustrated :D

Some of these customers were irate, maybe selfish enough to post gripes after Greg asked them not to, so that he could use the thread for updates.

With so many people on the site, it dragged to a crawl and less posters made sense.

Common sense was needed.



What will come of all this?

I'd be willing to bet that someone from the NFBC crew will be on available till FAAB has been distributed to all.



Fanball takes a hit. It'll take awhile for customers to trust Fanball as much as other NFBC owners in the past. As far as trusting Fanball as much as the trust in Greg, I don't think that ever happens.



In a few months we'll laugh about this....oh crap...who am I kidding, no we won't. But maybe we'll look back in a couple of years and see this as the low spot for Fanball and the NFBC. If so, I can live with that.



Greg, you and the team made a great comeback today.

Kudo's.

You showed why we trust you to the degree that we do.



Has Fanball lost customers?



If that had to be answered today, then yes.



But Greg has a knack of winning people over with his hard work. Despite misgivings about Fanball, Greg will keep most coming back.
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Post by King of Queens » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:37 am

Only one thing I can say:



$57!



and in true KoQ fashion:



$58!

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Post by King of Queens » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:37 am

Only one thing I can say:



$57!



and in true KoQ fashion:



$58!

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:38 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Only one thing I can say:



$57!



and in true KoQ fashion:



$58! :D and :D
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Post by jim.s » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:48 am

Good observations. Although I don't understand how the problem was missed last night, kudos to Greg and Tom for the amazing recovery. At 10am this morning I never dreamed we could be in this good shape at the end of the day. A couple of year ago ESPN reprogrammed their FBB site right before the season. It had bugs, and their solution was run the season excluding the first two weeks of stats.

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:07 pm

Dan, you are always spot on with your observations and posts. I wish more people had the common sense that you do.



Okay, I'll gladly explain what happened last night. Yes, I worked a full day and stayed up until about 11:00 waiting for the free agents to run. I finally couldn't do it anymore and went to sleep. Geoff was up with John and his team and saw the errors come through. John had his team in St. Louis and was there until about 3:30 or so.



Let's just say that the FAAB process is complex programming and it's not like a new mechanic can look under the hood and put a screwdriver to it. You can screw it up more than fix it and the original programmer needed to do it. For some reason we couldn't get it fixed right away. I heard what was going on as soon as I got up and had to do some family things before coming in and trying to calmly figure out the problems. I couldn't even get on the boards or get to the root of the problem with 300+ emails.



The tone of the anger surprised me because we had one game in the books, but I got with John and Cory, figured out what happened and then tried to calm ourselves and our NFBC members. It was obvious what had to be done -- rerun the FAAB and make sure everyone who had the high bid got the player they wanted -- and then the lineups for Week 1 had to be adjusted. Had this all been done before the first game today we'd have no problems. As it is, we got everything squared away an hour into the first games and just after the second games went off. Seven games started with rosters locked, but now we have to correct some of those lineups. No late game changes were made by us (those after 4:05 ET).



So, here we are. Folks hate Fanball because FAAB didn't run. They hate them because the perception is that nobody was home and somebody was asleep at the wheel. Neither is the case and they did identify the problem and get it fixed. But of course every Sunday night is now "Must See TV." And that sucks.



But I can only solve the problems right in front of me. I'm trying to do that despite others thinking someone is skirting the system. I don't see people doing any of that, just trying to honestly get players in their lineups they had this morning before they went to work. Once we do that, things should be "better."



Again, I'm solving one problem at a time. I'm not trying to look good in your eyes. Or help Fanball look better. Just saving the game that has consumed me over the last six months. I'm not letting the NFBC flush down the toilet over this one. I'm working another 14-hour day and getting this **** right. And we'll let folks say what they want.



Thanks Dan. Thanks everyone. We screwed up. And now EVERYONE here and in St. Louis is working hard to get it fixed. That's all we can do now.
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Post by sportsbettingman » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:19 pm

We are all just acting out our imperfect human emotions...thank goodness for that!!!



It's quite predictable...



1) Denial



2) Anger



3) Bargaining



4) Depression



5) Acceptance



I tend to skip levels 3 and 4. :D



I'm already at level 5 and LOVING Opening Day BASEBALL!!!



Great games so far!



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Post by Nutty Scrats » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:23 pm

Greg I had no doubt you would be on top of this. Just like always the NFBC crew are doing their best to get this right. What makes me so angry is it really never should have come down to this in the first place. This should have been tested WAY before the first FAAB ran. All possible scenarios should have been played out with the FAAB system.

To minimize any possible issues. Obviously it wasn't.
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Post by Bobby D » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:40 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Dan, you are always spot on with your observations and posts. I wish more people had the common sense that you do.



Okay, I'll gladly explain what happened last night. Yes, I worked a full day and stayed up until about 11:00 waiting for the free agents to run. I finally couldn't do it anymore and went to sleep. Geoff was up with John and his team and saw the errors come through. John had his team in St. Louis and was there until about 3:30 or so.



Let's just say that the FAAB process is complex programming and it's not like a new mechanic can look under the hood and put a screwdriver to it. You can screw it up more than fix it and the original programmer needed to do it. For some reason we couldn't get it fixed right away. I heard what was going on as soon as I got up and had to do some family things before coming in and trying to calmly figure out the problems. I couldn't even get on the boards or get to the root of the problem with 300+ emails.



The tone of the anger surprised me because we had one game in the books, but I got with John and Cory, figured out what happened and then tried to calm ourselves and our NFBC members. It was obvious what had to be done -- rerun the FAAB and make sure everyone who had the high bid got the player they wanted -- and then the lineups for Week 1 had to be adjusted. Had this all been done before the first game today we'd have no problems. As it is, we got everything squared away an hour into the first games and just after the second games went off. Seven games started with rosters locked, but now we have to correct some of those lineups. No late game changes were made by us (those after 4:05 ET).



So, here we are. Folks hate Fanball because FAAB didn't run. They hate them because the perception is that nobody was home and somebody was asleep at the wheel. Neither is the case and they did identify the problem and get it fixed. But of course every Sunday night is now "Must See TV." And that sucks.



But I can only solve the problems right in front of me. I'm trying to do that despite others thinking someone is skirting the system. I don't see people doing any of that, just trying to honestly get players in their lineups they had this morning before they went to work. Once we do that, things should be "better."



Again, I'm solving one problem at a time. I'm not trying to look good in your eyes. Or help Fanball look better. Just saving the game that has consumed me over the last six months. I'm not letting the NFBC flush down the toilet over this one. I'm working another 14-hour day and getting this **** right. And we'll let folks say what they want.



Thanks Dan. Thanks everyone. We screwed up. And now EVERYONE here and in St. Louis is working hard to get it fixed. That's all we can do now. I think people would have been more reasonable had the staff thought this through properly. Noone has yet to explain why it took until this week to set up the FAAB application? Had the software been in place and tested months ago, I think most would be more calm. But since the staff decided it was ok to wait until this week to program it, you got exactly the reactions you should have expected.

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:43 pm

Originally posted by Nutty Scrat:

Greg I had no doubt you would be on top of this. Just like always the NFBC crew are doing their best to get this right. What makes me so angry is it really never should have come down to this in the first place. This should have been tested WAY before the first FAAB ran. All possible scenarios should have been played out with the FAAB system.

To minimize any possible issues. Obviously it wasn't. Your point is spot on. Obviously we felt it was tested thoroughly and run and rerun beforehand. Something happened that made the system stop at the first bid in most cases (not all). It's embarrassing and has loaded us down beyond hope right now. But again, going on the boards and saying "we're okay" when we weren't wasn't the way to go at all. All we could do was solve the problem quickly, get Week 1 lineups loaded properly and admit our mistakes.



I hate this. But we are going to get through this, make sure FAAB runs PERFECTLY from here on out and get all the other features added that you want on the site. And then I'm going to act like a bear and hibernate in a cave for a good night's sleep over the next three weeks. :D Oh, and reintroduce myself to my family. That has been the hardest part.
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Post by High Octane Baseball » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:44 pm

Ill be honest..with this being my first year in the NFBC i have to admit that I am more than just a little wary of joining next year.



All of these issues should of been tested WEEKS before the season even started...



Its not hard to set up a mock league and test out some of the FAAB and other things that went wrong.



I run a few websites and we always test...for weeks and months before going live...



Its not like opening day changed..its been set in stone for several months...this was just unacceptable



But i am still looking forward to the season and just hope there are no more glitches moving forward



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Post by DenverDan » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:52 pm

Fanball deserves every complaint that they are receiving. Many people brought up to everybody at fanballs attention problems before this first week of play. Greg basically told us the season hasn't even started everything will be fine... quit your bitching. So we did.



The first week came, and lo and behold it's not working right, not even close. Now we get we will fix it and everything will be alright. You should have fixed the problems when people spoke up weeks ago. As a business owner myself I understand that all you can do is fix the problem and say were sorry.



Fanball deserves the complaints.

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Post by anpyanks » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:00 pm

Originally posted by ottawaclo:

Ill be honest..with this being my first year in the NFBC i have to admit that I am more than just a little wary of joining next year.



All of these issues should of been tested WEEKS before the season even started...



Its not hard to set up a mock league and test out some of the FAAB and other things that went wrong.



I run a few websites and we always test...for weeks and months before going live...



Its not like opening day changed..its been set in stone for several months...this was just unacceptable



But i am still looking forward to the season and just hope there are no more glitches moving forward Welcome to the NFBC and trust me once Greg gets things under control (and trust me he will) you will NOT be wary about next year at all. Greg and Tom have both been tremendous to us whenever we needed anything or had any questions. First class service always. Its not to say that the last 24 hours havent sucked for all of us veterens and you rookies but trust me there is nobody that feels worse than Greg about all of this. Pile that onto some of the things that some people wrote and you can just imagine how Greg and Tom have felt the last 24 hrs. I know FAAB will be perfect from this point on as i know the Live Scoring will be perfect whenever they say its a go. This is a first class organization and you will never have anything to feel wary about. Please just give them a chance and I promise you that it will be worth it in the end. Please bump this thread at the end of the year and tell me that i was right.



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Post by Bobby D » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:11 pm

Please just give them a chance and I promise you that it will be worth it in the end. Please bump this thread at the end of the year and tell me that i was right. I don't think many doubt that things will be fixed by the end of the year. Hell, I would hope things would be fixed by the end of the year. The gripes are regarding what happened TODAY and the poor planning in the PAST leading up to NOW. This has to be an all-time low, so there is nowhere to go but up. So I don't think it is necessary to bump the thread at the end of the season and call you nostradamus for predicting things get fixed by the end of the year.

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Post by anpyanks » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:18 pm

Originally posted by Bobby D:

quote: Please just give them a chance and I promise you that it will be worth it in the end. Please bump this thread at the end of the year and tell me that i was right. I don't think many doubt that things will be fixed by the end of the year. Hell, I would hope things would be fixed by the end of the year. The gripes are regarding what happened TODAY and the poor planning in the PAST leading up to NOW. This has to be an all-time low, so there is nowhere to go but up. So I don't think it is necessary to bump the thread at the end of the season and call you nostradamus for predicting things get fixed by the end of the year. [/QUOTE]I was speaking about their NFBC experience at the end of the year genius not talking about FAAB, Live Scoring, etc.

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Post by Vander » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:57 pm

Excellent post as usual Dan. Greg I'm sure you had an awful day and I'm not sure you are the one to blame. I was once hired for my extensive conversion experience. I've worked all night many times. Seeing people coming to work and surprised your still there from last night. As I tried to suggest in early and mid March, you can't make big changes late. As another poster has said. These things must be done WAY in advance and thoroughly tested before customers encounter them. I don't know what happened here, but after watching and hearing promises of fixs, I told another nfbcer a couple days ago you guys would be lucky not to have a disaster. It looks like you made a decent recovery, but it should not have gone down like this. No rushing to get it done. If it can't be done early and tested then it can wait. The old system worked fine. Functional is better than pretty and easily better than the large # of disgruntled customers of last night and this morning. Hopfully lesson learned. I'm not really "change adverse". I've seen it over and over and had to fight it when change came. After a while the new systems are usually viewed as an improvement once problems are solved and people get used to them. The forced last minute changes are almost always in for bad results. Take your time and postpone change if it isn't thoroughly tested. To all those that gave me a hard time when I warned of this weeks ago, hope you didn't lose too much sleep last night. I didn't. BTW I pmed Tom 2 of my teams have lineup issues still.

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:17 pm

Originally posted by Vander:

Excellent post as usual Dan. Greg I'm sure you had an awful day and I'm not sure you are the one to blame. I was once hired for my extensive conversion experience. I've worked all night many times. Seeing people coming to work and surprised your still there from last night. As I tried to suggest in early and mid March, you can't make big changes late. As another poster has said. These things must be done WAY in advance and thoroughly tested before customers encounter them. I don't know what happened here, but after watching and hearing promises of fixs, I told another nfbcer a couple days ago you guys would be lucky not to have a disaster. It looks like you made a decent recovery, but it should not have gone down like this. No rushing to get it done. If it can't be done early and tested then it can wait. The old system worked fine. Functional is better than pretty and easily better than the large # of disgruntled customers of last night and this morning. Hopfully lesson learned. I'm not really "change adverse". I've seen it over and over and had to fight it when change came. After a while the new systems are usually viewed as an improvement once problems are solved and people get used to them. The forced last minute changes are almost always in for bad results. Take your time and postpone change if it isn't thoroughly tested. To all those that gave me a hard time when I warned of this weeks ago, hope you didn't lose too much sleep last night. I didn't. BTW I pmed Tom 2 of my teams have lineup issues still. Dave, Tom will get those done ASAP. He just went home to do the work from there.



Honestly, today was a ROUGH day, but not an awful day. Not solving last night's problem would have been an AWFUL day. If we could have gotten this fixed and re-run first thing this morning, there would have been fewer problems. Resetting hundreds of lineups by hand was tough, but seven hours later we are done. Everyone got the free agents they bid for and everyone has the starters they wanted in their lineups. Honestly, I'm proud of those who didn't try to take out starters who had a bad first few innings and even prouder of folks who admitted they still wanted those guys in their lineups. Karma will come back and reward those folks. ;)



I'm computer illiterate, so I don't understand programming. But we didn't just invent this yesterday. Fanball has run FAAB on their commissioner products before and within many other products. I know this was tested and rerun before. Something happened last night and that tied this into starting lineups and affected many teams. Again, just a little more than half had free agent bids in, so half of the teams weren't affected. But we had a lot of work to do with those that were affected and the software was to blame. But it ran well the second time and hopefully we caught whatever it was that was wrong.



Of course we're to blame. We did it wrong and then didn't correct it last night. Major mistake. It cost us all day and probably some repeat business. I understand that. I've felt every shot on my 7-year-old baby. And I've left my family for weeks to take all of the hits we got today. Not fun.



The old system worked. But there are many reasons why we have the back-end now. MANY. We have to get this right and we will. But keep the shots coming because as others have said, we deserve them.
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Post by Vander » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:36 pm

I don't wish to keep the shots coming. I was mad 2 weeks ago. I'm over it. I just thought it could have been prevented and this was not unforseen. It was handled as well as possible, but some will be forever put off by this. Customers are too hard to obtain and are easily lost over something like this. Change is fine, but start earlier and take your time. Some of the "fixes are coming soon" posts told me things are not going to turn out well. BTW I've been retired for 16 years now and have become completely technically lost myself. Almost, ok not almost I am embarrest how untech I've become. Can't do even simple things. You must make this stuff so even tech idiots like me can't screw it up. And once again simple and functional is better than pretty and complicated.

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Post by Dyv » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:55 pm

I read the comments and laughed pretty hard. Grown men (mostly) raging about their days ruined and their lives falling apart, etc. etc. ~1/190th worth of stats and if someone would abuse the system, blah blah.



OMG we have to change the rules, allow lineups afterward, skip week 1, refund 1 day's worth of entry fee to everyone (that idea was hilarious, truly). We should fire fanball, fire all the techs, shoot Ryan, Greg owes everyone a personal phone call and beg for their apologies, blah blah...



And in the end, baseball was fantastic. Yeah I had Zambrano in a couple places. I also had a team go off for 7 HR and 21 RBI's today (actually that team had Zambrano, too.. so whee!!!).



Buerhle's play was unreal highlight reel. Heyward... seriously!?!? Pujols for TWO?!?!?!



Take a deep breath you hyper, high blood pressure message board freaks.



The biggest thing I got from all the rants on this message board was that many of you need to relax and have a little faith. 12-15 hours ago you'd have thought the world was falling apart by what people said here.



Thanks for the laughs; I hope everyone survived this soap opera dramatic day. If it wasn't for Greg & Tom and co. taking the brunt of it I'd actually rather see a tech breakdown every day for a few hours so you guys can keep me laughing as I imagine your faces turning purple as you hack away at your keyboards, lol.



Nobody had a fantasy webpage induced heart attack did they???!?



Have a good night all,



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Post by sportsbettingman » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:08 pm

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!



What fun!



Some folks need to remove their noses from buttholes.



It was all a natural and needed process.



All the complaints.



All the bitching.



All the error reporting.



Without them...the tech crew would still be where they were two weeks ago.



Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who pays attention.



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Post by Dyv » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:22 pm

Real American heroes...



Thank you Mr. Message Board Rager... it's your delicate typing, insistence on exclamation points as the only acceptable punctuation and repetitive caressing the shift key to produce capital letters that makes you who you are.



Not only have your actions today given you a free stress test to make sure your ticker is operating at high levels of ticktockery, but you've also saved the contest through your iron will and intensity.



Without your excessive posting, continual raging and outrageous exclamations of simple events merging to lead to the end of the world probably nothing would have been done.



You've saved us Mr. Message Board Rager... and single handedly guaranteed people who make replacement keyboards will keep their jobs through this recession, too.



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Post by Bobby D » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:55 pm

Originally posted by Dyv:

Real American heroes...



Thank you Mr. Message Board Rager... it's your delicate typing, insistence on exclamation points as the only acceptable punctuation and repetitive caressing the shift key to produce capital letters that makes you who you are.



Not only have your actions today given you a free stress test to make sure your ticker is operating at high levels of ticktockery, but you've also saved the contest through your iron will and intensity.



Without your excessive posting, continual raging and outrageous exclamations of simple events merging to lead to the end of the world probably nothing would have been done.



You've saved us Mr. Message Board Rager... and single handedly guaranteed people who make replacement keyboards will keep their jobs through this recession, too.



Real American Heroes... The world would be a better a place if we were all as sarcastic as you. So glad we were all able to give Mr High Horse Sarcasm a laugh today. Maybe if the boards were filled today with sarcasm instead of rants, that would have helped fix and identify all of the problems. Or better yet, maybe we all should have ignored the fact that the FAAB was screwed up and just went on with our day as if nothing went wrong. Maybe someday the rest of us can hope to be as cool and sarcastic as you. Until then, we will have to be satisfied with your posts to get us through our days.

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Post by Dyv » Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:03 am

Originally posted by Bobby D:

The world would be a better a place if we were all as sarcastic as you. So glad we were all able to give Mr High Horse Sarcasm a laugh today. Maybe if the boards were filled today with sarcasm instead of rants, that would have helped fix and identify all of the problems. Or better yet, maybe we all should have ignored the fact that the FAAB was screwed up and just went on with our day as if nothing went wrong. Maybe someday the rest of us can hope to be as cool and sarcastic as you. Until then, we will have to be satisfied with your posts to get us through our days. lol, Bobby do you really think that the hysteria was a necessary part of the solution? Had there only been 97 rage posts instead of 139 it wouldn't have been fixed?
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Post by Vander » Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:17 am

I know Greg was surprised how surely some got yesterday. My possible explaination is these are not casual fantasy baseball players. NFBC guys are not the guy that goes out the day of the draft and buys his magazine and drafts mostly from the cheap sheet. Guys (and some girls) have usually put months of prep into this and when it all doesn't go perfect and all that expectation and work is put in jeaporty they get a little crazy (myself included). Also as pointed out by others, there was no communication until Greg started putting stuff out yesterday morning. A little info earlier would have probably quited most or at least made them feel a little better. Just a suggestion in case there are more skeletons in the closet. With all the new stuff and modifying the stuff that's out there there could be more gliches still undiscovered out there. I think it was resolved as best as possible. Hopfully it has no impact on how things finsh. I wouldn't want to see something goofy like the winner wins by 1/2 point and it looks like he took out Zambrano at the last minute. hopfully it's all behind now. Opening day was fun anyway. The long awaited season is now in motion. Enjoy what you've waited for. I had a good day yesterday and didn't worry about a thing. (had my meltdown 2 weeks ago when I saw this coming).

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