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Post by KJ Duke » Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:09 am

Originally posted by LONG GONE:

I have news for you KJ. The Padres are not very good. Maybe in 2 to 3 years if the players from the Agon trade pan out there window will be open.



They have one of the most important pieces in place with Matt Latos.



The trades that you are talking about came from GM Kevin Towers. You ripped him in the past and said he should be fired. Are you now telling me he is a great GM? That isn't news Kelly. ;) And I don't recall ripping Towers. I have ripped Hendry on occasion, but he has made some good moves to go along with the bad.



No GM is perfect, but when one guy has a pattern of giving out over-priced contracts to players on the down slope that no one else wants ... I think his GM skills can be questioned.

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Post by LONG GONE » Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:41 am

The players that KC signed this week are nothing more then space fillers. They are not bad contracts. They are below major league average players that are still young. They are hoping to hit lighting in a bottle. Ware the organization currently stands that's not a bad move.



If the Padres suck, why describe them in the form that you did?



I never said Moore is a good GM. He has them moving in the right direction. Time will tell if he is a good GM.

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Post by LONG GONE » Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:48 am

What bothers me most about bashing GM's is the fact that everyone thinks the contract has to be a good one. I think these folks are all smarter then we give them credit for. They also recognize when they are giving out bad contract, but are doing it for other reasons. That happens more then you think.

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Post by KJ Duke » Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:21 am

Originally posted by LONG GONE:

If the Padres suck, why describe them in the form that you did?



I said they were close last season. A game away from winning the division with a small market team because of good moves by the former GM, good coaching and some better than expected performances. With their best offensive player gone (among others) I don't think anyone expects a repeat. Whether they suck or not, as you say, is TBD.



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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:37 am

Well, what's the thoughts here now on the Zack Greinke trade to the Brewers? As a Brewers' fan it's great news as the Brew Crew finally has a young ace at the top of the rotation who could lead the Brewers to the playoffs. Greinke, Gallardo, Marcum and Wolf isn't a bad start, especially in that division and it shows that the Brewers will likely hang onto Prince Fielder this year and make a strong push to reach the playoffs.



The Royals get some very good prospects for sure, but I'm not sure any of them will be impact players right away. Escobar is really struggling in the Venezuelan Winter League and was terrible down the stretch for the Brewers, while Cain is a good but not great centerfielder. Jeffress can definitely be a closer down the road, but he has personal issues. Odorizzi is a big-time pitching prospect, but he is like three years away from the majors.



Did the Royals get enough for Greinke? Did the Brewers give up too much from their farm system for a guy who will be a free agent in two years? Let's discuss.
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Post by 751542 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:59 am

same old song n dance for royals...doughy right...long gone and cocktail have egg on their face...it was an opportunity for the royals to improve and they just went back 3 more steps...shame shame!!! i am more than willing to apply for GM, nevermind i am overqualified!!
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Post by Quahogs » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:39 am

C'mon, cut the guy a break. Dayton's just making sure KC's able to challenge for the pennant in the future. WAY...in the future.



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Post by Edwards Kings » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:54 am

A Royals rotation of Hochevar, Davies, O'Sullivan and Mazzaro. It is going to be another long year for KC.



Brew-crew will have to carry Betancourt at SS (or maybe they can move Gamel there ;) ) and Gomez in CF, but otherwise that rotation in that division makes them a legitimate contender.
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Post by 751542 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:57 am

i guess soria is next to go, since they acquired their closer of the future...hilarious
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Post by 751542 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:00 am

disregard last post..i see jeffress is not included. or does it really matter??, soria is soon to go. too bad for kc its not a good market this year to peddle closers
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Post by Chest Rockwell » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:01 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Well, what's the thoughts here now on the Zack Greinke trade to the Brewers? As a Brewers' fan it's great news as the Brew Crew finally has a young ace at the top of the rotation who could lead the Brewers to the playoffs. Greinke, Gallardo, Marcum and Wolf isn't a bad start, especially in that division and it shows that the Brewers will likely hang onto Prince Fielder this year and make a strong push to reach the playoffs.



The Royals get some very good prospects for sure, but I'm not sure any of them will be impact players right away. Escobar is really struggling in the Venezuelan Winter League and was terrible down the stretch for the Brewers, while Cain is a good but not great centerfielder. Jeffress can definitely be a closer down the road, but he has personal issues. Odorizzi is a big-time pitching prospect, but he is like three years away from the majors.



Did the Royals get enough for Greinke? Did the Brewers give up too much from their farm system for a guy who will be a free agent in two years? Let's discuss. Dang Greg "not a bad start". If I were you I would be doing cartwheels. That is a very good rotation IMO. Oddly enough why not draw a comparison between Milwaukee and KC and see what kind of a job you think Dayton is doing.



Hey at least if reports are correct they also dumped Betancourt on the Brewers.

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:26 am

Originally posted by RoundTrippers:

disregard last post..i see jeffress is not included. or does it really matter??, soria is soon to go. too bad for kc its not a good market this year to peddle closers There are conflicting reports on Jeffress, but he almost has to be the other player in this trade. If not, WOW. But Ken Rosenthal just said he is included in this deal. Maybe the Royals need to clear one more spot on their 40-man before they officially announce that Jeffress was part of the deal. That kid has a LIVELY arm, so I hope he's not.



Wow, check out the Brewer boards. Folks are stoked. They have enough hitting to contend in this division and now I think they have enough pitching. Awesome trade.
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Post by LONG GONE » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:41 am

I don't think the trade is as bad as you folks describe. The problem with the trade is the fact the Royals probably did not receive a sure thing.



They get potentially 23 controlable contract years of contributing players. Thats a big deal to a small market team.



If 2 players are able to be major league average or above, its a good trade.



To all you folks that are complaining..... I better not see Cain on your roster this year.

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:12 am

If jeffress isn't included, it is a typical Moore onfield move.

Kelly, control of mediocrity is what KC aspires to, which makes them the onfield team they are.

The best part of the deal for Moore was ridding himself of Betancourt.

How about that million bucks for Melky, then making him a fourth outfielder by way of trade?

Moore has no forethought in deals.

He really should be head of their minor league system while letting a real GM handle on field decisions.

Soria and Butler are next to ask out of Kansas City.

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Post by LONG GONE » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:29 am

12:59pm: Jeffress has been told that he will be the PTBNL in the trade, tweets Goldstein





Good deal for both clubs. This will help give the Royals a nice supporting cast around there future stars.

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:32 am

That makes it more pallatable.

I laughed when I saw the 'future stars' line.

In Kansas City, they are not future stars, they are 'shooting stars', lasting only in Kansas City long enough to demand a trade.
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Post by 751542 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:36 am

Originally posted by LONG GONE:

12:59pm: Jeffress has been told that he will be the PTBNL in the trade, tweets Goldstein





Good deal for both clubs. This will help give the Royals a nice supporting cast around there future stars. cmon kelly?? are you drinkn beers again?
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Post by LONG GONE » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:45 am

I have not had a drink since that day.

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:47 am

The Royals just traded their leading home run hitter and nobody batted an eye. :D
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Post by DiamondKing » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:39 pm

In 2009 spring training I was talking to a scout I know with the Royals.He told me Grienke was almost traded that winter.A large part of the front office has wanted to move him for awhile.
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Post by TOXIC ASSETS » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:57 pm

This is the 2010 payroll for all teams.



1 New York Yankees 206,738,389

2 Boston Red Sox 160,913,333

3 Chicago Cubs 146,609,000

4 Philadelphia Phillies 142,728,379

5 New York Mets 136,022,942

6 Detroit Tigers 122,864,928

7 Chicago White Sox 105,530,000

8 Los Angeles Angels 104,161,666

9 San Francisco Giants 98,586,333

10 Los Angeles Dodgers 95,358,016

11 St. Louis Cardinals 93,940,751

12 Houston Astros 92,355,500

13 Minnesota Twins 90,309,166

14 Seattle Mariners 86,910,000

15 Atlanta Braves 84,423,666

16 Colorado Rockies 83,172,000

17 Baltimore Orioles 81,202,500

18 Milwaukee Brewers 81,108,278

19 Tampa Bay Rays 72,323,471

20 Kansas City Royals 71,405,210

21 Cincinnati Reds 68,200,542

22 Washington Nationals 62,349,000

23 Toronto Blue Jays 61,484,400

24 Cleveland Indians 60,778,966

25 Florida Marlins 55,239,500

26 Texas Rangers 55,168,114

27 Oakland Athletics 50,839,900

28 Arizona Diamondbacks 48,452,166

29 San Diego Padres 38,199,300

30 Pittsburgh Pirates 34,933,000

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The numbers say it all, or at least most of it. The Royals GM should be pounded into silly putty on these boards. With a payroll not near the bottom --- another terrible team took the field in 2010. Look at some of the teams BELOW the Royals in payroll....Rangers (made the World Series), Reds (division winner), Marlins (competitive year after year), A's (many good finishes since Billy Beane took over as GM). Meanwhile the Royals play terrible baseball every single year (if my memory is right, I think the last time they made the playoffs was 1985 when they won the series). The Pirates are another joke, they never should have given them a brand new ballpark. They should have build ONE ballpark in Pittsburgh for the Steelers only since Pittsburgh may be the BEST football town in America and possibly the WORST baseball town.

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Post by LONG GONE » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:17 am

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Originally posted by Vander:

I used to think Towers was ok, but he's been in that ball park for several years now and seems to refuse to build his team around what he has. Why not speedy outfielders and solid starting pitching? A STL of the 70's and 80's type of team. He hasn't even tried to put this type of team together and it seems a no brainer to me. Fired he deserves and as for JP should've been fired a long time ago. Lots of poor gm's. How do these guys get their jobs anyway? Much less how do they keep them.

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Thats when you would have fired him!

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Post by LONG GONE » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:46 am

DOUGHBOYS, reffering to the Kevin Towers post.You where wrong on firing the Cincinnati GM a year ago. You where wrong about Ubaldo Jimenez.



You will be wrong about the KC GM.

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Post by Edwards Kings » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:35 am

Originally posted by TOXIC ASSETS:

Meanwhile the Royals play terrible baseball every single year (if my memory is right, I think the last time they made the playoffs was 1985 when they won the series).Us in Atlanta remember it was at least 1991 when they beat the Braves (or at least that HORRIBLE, EMBARASSING baggy-dome stadium and Kent Hrbek bodily lifted Ron Gant off first base beat the Braves). Credit Jack Morris though. Game Seven was one of the best pitched games I ever saw.
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