Outfielders - NFBC Eligibility List

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:42 am

The following players have outfield eligibility to start the 2008 NFBC season:

1. Matt Holliday. Col.

2. Alfonso Soriano Cubs

3. Carl Crawford T.B.

4. Grady Sizemore Cle.

5. Carlos Beltran Mets

6. Carlos Lee Hou.

7. Vladimir Guerrero LAA

8. Ichiro Suzuki Sea.

9. B.J. Upton T.B.

10. Lance Berkman Hou.

11. Curtis Granderson Det.

12. Magglio Ordonez Det.

13. Bobby Abreu NYY

14. Nick Markakis Bal.

15. Alex Rios Tor.

16. Manny Ramirez Bos.

17. Eric Byrnes Ari.

18. Adam Dunn Cin.

19. Torii Hunter LAA

20. Hunter Pence Hou.

21. Corey Hart Mil.

22. Chris Young Ari.

23. Shane Victorino Phi.

24. Vernon Wells Tor.

25. Brad Hawpe Col.

26. Delmon Young Min.

27. Jason Bay Pit.

28. Jeff Francoeur Atl.

29. Juan Pierre L.A.

30. Hideki Matsui. NYY

31. Aaron Rowand S.F.

32. Jermaine Dye WSox

33. Andruw Jones L.A.

34. Johnny Damon NYY

35. Willy Taveras Col.

36. Matt Kemp L.A.

37. Nick Swisher Oak.

38. Jacoby Ellsbury. Bos.

39. Josh Fields WSox

40. Jeremy Hermida. Fla.

41. Kosuke Fukudome Cubs

42. Raul Ibanez Sea.

43. Josh Hamilton Tex.

44. Coco Crisp Bos.

45. Pat Burrell Phi.

46. Michael Bourn Hou.

47. Michael Cuddyer Min.

48. Jose Guillen K.C.

49. Ken Griffey Jr. Cin.

50. J.D. Drew. Bos.

51. Josh Willingham Fla.

52. Mark Teahen K.C.

53. Justin Upton Ari.

54. Andre Ethier L.A.

55. Melky Cabrera NYY

56. Gary Matthews Jr. LAA

57. Nate McLouth Pit.

58. Garret Anderson LAA

59. Cameron Maybin Fla.

60. Mike Cameron FA

61. Randy Winn S.F.

62. Bill Hall Mil.

63. Colby Rasmus StL

64. Corey Patterson FA

65. Austin Kearns Wash.

66. Luke Scott Bal.

67. Jason Kubel Min.

68. David DeJesus K.C.

69. Dave Roberts S.F.

70. Brad Wilkerson FA

71. Chris Duncan StL

72. Rick Ankiel StL

73. Mark DeRosa Cubs

74. Moises Alou Mets

75. Jack Cust Oak.

76. Travis Buck Oak.

77. Adam Jones Sea.

78. Shannon Stewart FA

79. Craig Monroe Min.

80. Xavier Nady Pit.

81. Franklin Gutierrez Cle.

82. Marlon Byrd Tex.

83. Brian Giles S.D.

84. Jay Bruce Cin.

85. Milton Bradley Tex.

86. Rocco Baldelli T.B.

87. Lastings Milledge Wash.

88. Luis Gonzalez FA

89. Jacque Jones Det.

90. Kenny Lofton FA

91. Geoff Jenkins Phi.

92. Jose Bautista Pit.

93. Jonny Gomes T.B.

94. Jay Payton Bal.

95. Ryan Church Mets

96. Jim Edmonds S.D.

97. Barry Bonds FA

98. Shawn Green FA

99. Matt Diaz Atl.

100. Matt Stairs. Tor.

101. Ryan Doumit Pit.

102. Frank Catalanotto Tex.

103. Felix Pie Cubs

104. Ryan Freel Cin.

105. Ryan Ludwick StL

106. Ryan Spillborghs Col.

107. Marcus Thames Det.

108. Reggie Willits LAA

109. Emil Brown FA

110. Cliff Floyd T.B.

111. Nelson Cruz T.B.

112. Alfredo Amezaga Fla.

113. Adam Lind Tor.

114. Jason Michaels Cle.

115. Trot Nixon FA

116. Ben Broussard Tex.

117. Cody Ross Fla.

118. Wily Mo Pena Wash.

119. Jay Gibbons Bal.

120. Juan Encarnacion StL

121. Jerry Owens WSox

121. Mark Kotsay Oak.

123. Chris Duffy Pit.

124. Scott Hairston S.D.

125. Brandon Jones Atl.

126. Justin Huber, K.C.

127. Josh Anderson, Atl.

128. Steve Pearce, Pit.

129. Juan Rivera, L.A.

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Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:15 am

Greg - good job on getting these up for us to look at.

NOW if you could do another huge favor for the NFBC community - especially all of us who will be doing satellite leagues at MDC - and get them to update their position eligiblities listed on players to match with yours - certainly for the satellites themselves. (I know it's user responsibility but I could certainly see someone who hasn't done many drafts there and dealing with time limit and software issues being momentarily confused and drafting someone like Sammy Sosa as an OF because that is where he is listed)

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:08 am

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Greg - good job on getting these up for us to look at.

NOW if you could do another huge favor for the NFBC community - especially all of us who will be doing satellite leagues at MDC - and get them to update their position eligiblities listed on players to match with yours - certainly for the satellites themselves. (I know it's user responsibility but I could certainly see someone who hasn't done many drafts there and dealing with time limit and software issues being momentarily confused and drafting someone like Sammy Sosa as an OF because that is where he is listed) I can share my list with MDC, but obviously they can't change all their designations just for us. I'm sure some leagues would allow Sheffield to be OF eligible, while he's not with us.

For the most part in our drafts we held two weeks ago, I thought the designations were pretty solid this year. I know they had a couple that weren't right (Figgins was listed in the OF, for instance), but Geoff was going to correct those. Hopefully they will be very close with us this year. Good suggestion, though.

Geoffrey Stein · Post by **Geoffrey Stein** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:39 am

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Greg - good job on getting these up for us to look at.

NOW if you could do another huge favor for the NFBC community - especially all of us who will be doing satellite leagues at MDC - and get them to update their position eligiblities listed on players to match with yours - certainly for the satellites themselves. (I know it's user responsibility but I could certainly see someone who hasn't done many drafts there and dealing with time limit and software issues being momentarily confused and drafting someone like Sammy Sosa as an OF because that is where he is listed) Looking over things, I'm positive that we're on the same page as far as eligibility goes, but there will always be a few that fall through the cracks.

We currently use 20-game eligibility to determine our position defaults, but there will always be that shady area for those players who didn't make that mark.

As a result, I invite anyone who finds a difference between the NFBC and MDC lists to contact me at: geoff @ mockdraftcentral.com, and I'll do my best to make sure everything is good to go for the satellites later in the year.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:39 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Greg - good job on getting these up for us to look at.

NOW if you could do another huge favor for the NFBC community - especially all of us who will be doing satellite leagues at MDC - and get them to update their position eligiblities listed on players to match with yours - certainly for the satellites themselves. (I know it's user responsibility but I could certainly see someone who hasn't done many drafts there and dealing with time limit and software issues being momentarily confused and drafting someone like Sammy Sosa as an OF because that is where he is listed) I can share my list with MDC, but obviously they can't change all their designations just for us. I'm sure some leagues would allow Sheffield to be OF eligible, while he's not with us.

For the most part in our drafts we held two weeks ago, I thought the designations were pretty solid this year. I know they had a couple that weren't right (Figgins was listed in the OF, for instance), but Geoff was going to correct those. Hopefully they will be very close with us this year. Good suggestion, though. [/QUOTE]I suggest all MLB fantasy sites standardize on NFBC eligibility. Who else is there, anyway? This is THE contest for serious fantasy baseball.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:03 pm

I'm not sure I understand. Only players who appear on the list are outfield eligible? What about a minor leaguer who is not on there. He has to come up and play a certain number of games to be eligible?

I will be happy to hear from anyone who can clear this up.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:12 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

I'm not sure I understand. Only players who appear on the list are outfield eligible? What about a minor leaguer who is not on there. He has to come up and play a certain number of games to be eligible?

I will be happy to hear from anyone who can clear this up. He would be eligible at the position he played most in the minors, unless he played in the majors in '07 and appeared as a PH/DH more than a defensive position (in which case he would be UT only).

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:29 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

I'm not sure I understand. Only players who appear on the list are outfield eligible? What about a minor leaguer who is not on there. He has to come up and play a certain number of games to be eligible?

I will be happy to hear from anyone who can clear this up. No, these aren't the only OF eligible players, but we ranked the top 125 for our magazine and I copied and pasted them here. If you have any questions on September callups or minor-leaguers, feel free to ask me about them. But I listed the top OFers to get you started. You can figure out the rest.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:18 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

I'm not sure I understand. Only players who appear on the list are outfield eligible? What about a minor leaguer who is not on there. He has to come up and play a certain number of games to be eligible?

I will be happy to hear from anyone who can clear this up. He would be eligible at the position he played most in the minors, unless he played in the majors in '07 and appeared as a PH/DH more than a defensive position (in which case he would be UT only). [/QUOTE]Did we not do away with the pinch hitting rule?

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:24 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

I'm not sure I understand. Only players who appear on the list are outfield eligible? What about a minor leaguer who is not on there. He has to come up and play a certain number of games to be eligible?

I will be happy to hear from anyone who can clear this up. He would be eligible at the position he played most in the minors, unless he played in the majors in '07 and appeared as a PH/DH more than a defensive position (in which case he would be UT only). [/QUOTE]Did we not do away with the pinch hitting rule? [/QUOTE]I sure hope so. I remember it being reviewed.

~Lance

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:54 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

I'm not sure I understand. Only players who appear on the list are outfield eligible? What about a minor leaguer who is not on there. He has to come up and play a certain number of games to be eligible?

I will be happy to hear from anyone who can clear this up. He would be eligible at the position he played most in the minors, unless he played in the majors in '07 and appeared as a PH/DH more than a defensive position (in which case he would be UT only). [/QUOTE]Did we not do away with the pinch hitting rule? [/QUOTE]I sure hope so. I remember it being reviewed.

~Lance [/QUOTE]There never was a pinch-hitting rule. But yes, the eligibility rules are pretty damn clear and nowhere does it say now -- or did it before -- about PH appearances!!

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:04 am

Greg, per your rules section:

Players who played less than 20 games total in the majors last year will be eligible at the position they played the most games at, not including DH or pinch-hitting.

Does this mean if a player DH'd 19 games and played 1 game at 1B, he would be 1B eligible?

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Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:07 am

No, since DH is a position, they would be eligible at DH only

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:12 am

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

No, since DH is a position, they would be eligible at DH only That's what I thought, but as written it says "not including DH". --- this is straight from the NFBC rules section, not a paraphrase.

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Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:13 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Hook:

No, since DH is a position, they would be eligible at DH only That's what I thought, but as written it says "not including DH". --- this is straight from the NFBC rules section, not a paraphrase. [/QUOTE]Not exactly right. There are two sections in the rules for this, one for players who had played less than 20 games in the majors and one who played more than 20 games in the majors. For a September callup, we are allowing him to qualify at the position he played the most games at if he appeared in less than 20 games. But if he played in more than 20 games and DH'd most of the time, then yes he's obviously UT-only.

Here's the two rules that both need to be seen to understand:

b) Players who played less than 20 games total in the majors last year will be eligible at the position they played the most games at, not including DH or pinch-hitting.

e) Players who played 20 or more games in the majors last year and didn't play 20 or more games at one position will be deemed UT-only eligible in 2008 unless otherwise designated by the NFBC Commissioner.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:14 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Greg, per your rules section:

quote: Players who played less than 20 games total in the majors last year will be eligible at the position they played the most games at, not including DH or pinch-hitting.

Does this mean if a player DH'd 19 games and played 1 game at 1B, he would be 1B eligible? [/QUOTE]So the answer to this would be no, he'd be UT-only. He played 20 games and 19 of them were at DH. Had he played 15-19 total games, then yes he'd have qualified at 1B.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:25 am

In 2007 Joey Votto played 20 or more games in the majors:

17 games at 1B

6 games at OF

3 games at pinch hitter

Normally he'd be DH eligible, but he is listed at 1B because he was designated by the NFBC Commissioner at 1B (see rule "e"), correct? just want to make sure i'm reading it correctly.

e) Players who played 20 or more games in the majors last year and didn't play 20 or more games at one position will be deemed UT-only eligible in 2008 unless otherwise designated by the NFBC Commissioner. The NFBC Commissioner will rule on player eligibility prior to the draft as he deems necessary. Those eligibility lists are final.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:28 pm

What site do you use that actually breaks down games played at a position and games appeared in as a PH?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:38 pm

Originally posted by Hard Heads:

What site do you use that actually breaks down games played at a position and games appeared in as a PH? i look at cbssportsline

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:11 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

In 2007 Joey Votto played 20 or more games in the majors:

17 games at 1B

6 games at OF

3 games at pinch hitter

Normally he'd be DH eligible, but he is listed at 1B because he was designated by the NFBC Commissioner at 1B (see rule "e"), correct? just want to make sure i'm reading it correctly.

e) Players who played 20 or more games in the majors last year and didn't play 20 or more games at one position will be deemed UT-only eligible in 2008 unless otherwise designated by the NFBC Commissioner. The NFBC Commissioner will rule on player eligibility prior to the draft as he deems necessary. Those eligibility lists are final. Same with Garrett Jones of the Twinkies:

1B-8

OF-6

DH-13

He's listed as a first baseman here.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:37 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

In 2007 Joey Votto played 20 or more games in the majors:

17 games at 1B

6 games at OF

3 games at pinch hitter

Normally he'd be DH eligible, but he is listed at 1B because he was designated by the NFBC Commissioner at 1B (see rule "e"), correct? just want to make sure i'm reading it correctly.

e) Players who played 20 or more games in the majors last year and didn't play 20 or more games at one position will be deemed UT-only eligible in 2008 unless otherwise designated by the NFBC Commissioner. The NFBC Commissioner will rule on player eligibility prior to the draft as he deems necessary. Those eligibility lists are final. Yes, in Votto's case he played 24 games last year during his September callup and 17 were at first base. Consider it a Commissioner's call to give him 1B eligibility as he definitely remains on the list for 1B eligibility.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:38 am

Originally posted by Hard Heads:

What site do you use that actually breaks down games played at a position and games appeared in as a PH? Grab the Bill James Handbook if you can for 20 bucks (ACTA Publishing, Baseball Info Solutions). It's the best for this. Rototimes.com also breaks down players' games played by position and even lists them by RF, CF and LF.

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Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:45 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

In 2007 Joey Votto played 20 or more games in the majors:

17 games at 1B

6 games at OF

3 games at pinch hitter

Normally he'd be DH eligible, but he is listed at 1B because he was designated by the NFBC Commissioner at 1B (see rule "e"), correct? just want to make sure i'm reading it correctly.

e) Players who played 20 or more games in the majors last year and didn't play 20 or more games at one position will be deemed UT-only eligible in 2008 unless otherwise designated by the NFBC Commissioner. The NFBC Commissioner will rule on player eligibility prior to the draft as he deems necessary. Those eligibility lists are final. Same with Garrett Jones of the Twinkies:

1B-8

OF-6

DH-13

He's listed as a first baseman here. [/QUOTE]I have updated the Garrett Jones eligibility. He has been removed from 1B and is UT-only eligible. He was with the Twins three different times last year, played in 31 games and was UT mainly as he DH'd 12 times, pinch-hit five times and played in the field 14 times. Good catch.

Jones will likely appear at 1B in our second FB issue as we appeal to our mass audience, but our eligibility lists will be accurate here and again for Draft Day.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:38 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Yes, in Votto's case he played 24 games last year during his September callup and 17 were at first base. Consider it a Commissioner's call to give him 1B eligibility as he definitely remains on the list for 1B eligibility. thanks greg

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:21 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Greg, per your rules section:

quote: Players who played less than 20 games total in the majors last year will be eligible at the position they played the most games at, not including DH or pinch-hitting.

Does this mean if a player DH'd 19 games and played 1 game at 1B, he would be 1B eligible? [/QUOTE]So the answer to this would be no, he'd be UT-only. He played 20 games and 19 of them were at DH. Had he played 15-19 total games, then yes he'd have qualified at 1B. [/QUOTE]Greg, this rules seems rather, uh, illogical ... since there are only a handful of players each season that don't qualify at a position couldn't you just assign all such players a position (or DH if that's the case) based on where you expect them to a play?

That would make a lot more sense IMO than having a guy who DH'd 19 times being called a DH, but a guy who DH'd 18 times being called a 1B.

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